Coaches,

As a long time Head Coach, QB coach, and Offensive coordinator I am often asked by High School level coaches what are my most important prerequisites when helping someone to build a successful passing attack on the high school level?

My objective in starting this thread is to have some other well experienced passing game coaches weigh in with their opinions on this question. I would like for you to touch on the major points of what you feel are the most intelligent answers to helping these young coaches get off to a good start.

I want to hear from all coaches, of course, but would especially like to hear from BILL MOUNTJOY, DARIN SLACK, JOHN McGREGOR, LYLEL LANSDEL, THE DYNAMIC DUO OF COVERDALE-ROBINSON, AND ANY AND ALL COLLEGE AND PRO LEVEL QB COACHES OR OC'S.

Lets help other coaches all we can!

Coach Easton

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J.C. EASTON<BR>HEAD COACH<BR>GA TIGERS FOOTBALL<BR>PROFESSIONAL MINOR LEAGUE

This is what is best for US! It may not be right for others:

BASE DROPBACK PASS SYSTEM:

PERSONNEL GROUPINGS = 2 TE/2 WR/1 RB, AND, 1 TE/3 WR/1 RB (both from 2x2 & 3x1 configurations):

1. 2 PASS PROTECTIONS at most (7 man pro = 3 free releases & 2 check releases; AND, 8 man pro = 2 free releases & 3 check releases) = a BASE/BOB type, & a TURNBACK type.

2. 3 THREE STEP dropback passes (I.E.: "HITCH"/"FADE"/"SLANT")

3. 5 FIVE STEP dropback passes (I.E.: "SMASH"/"CURL-FLAT"/"DOUBLE OUTS"/"POST"/"POST/CORNER")

4. "TAGS" off of the above for variety (can vary greatly as needed)

5. At least 1 SCREEN, & 1 DRAW.

6. Be able to handle: BLITZ-MAN/3 DEEP/2 DEEP (I KNOW there is more - but it all boils down to THIS).

7. QUALITY (execution) of the above = more important than MORE quantity!

8. SIMPLE READ CONCEPTS FOR QB (based upon "progressions of reveivers):

----A) INSIDE/OUT HORIZONTAL STRETCH (3 vs 2 or 2 vs 1) WORK 1/2 of field horizontally.

----B) OUTSIDE/IN HORIZIONTAL STRETCH (3 vs 2 or 2 vs 1) WORK 1/2 of field horizontally.

----C) LONG TO SHORT VERTICAL STRETCH (3 vs 2 or 2 vs 1) WORK 1/3 of field vertically.

----D) OBJECT RECEIVER READ (looking for a specific receiver for a specific reason).



9. PHILOSOPHY VS BLITZ IMPORTANT (BELOW):


A) OUR PHILOSOPHY VS THE BLITZ IS TO CALL PLAYS IN ONE OF TWO CATEGORIES THAT ARE GOOD EITHER VS:

1. BLITZ MAN, AND COVER 2 (MOFO), OR
2. BLITZ MAN, AND COVER 3 (MOFC).


B) WE DO NOT AUDIBLE TO DIFFERENT PROTECTIONS BECAUSE:

1. NEVER KNOW WHEN THEY ARE GOING TO COME (CAN BLUFF BLITZ & BACK OUT TO ZONE OR, THEY MAY COME).
2. QB NOT ALWAYS EQUIPPED TO SEE IT THE WAY YOU WANT HIM TO.
3. NOT ENOUGH GAME CLOCK TO AUDIBLE.
4. THEREFORE, WE NEED CALLS THAT ARE GOOD VS EVERYTHING.
5. USE 2 PLAY HUDDLE CALLS, OR “CHECK WITH ME AT THE LINE” – PLAYS THAT DO NOT CHANGE THE PROTECTION CALLED IN THE HUDDLE. THEY FIT INTO ONE OF THE CATEGORIES IN A) ABOVE.


C) AVOID “HOTS” BY USING 7 OR 8 MAN PROTECTION (BE SIMPLE ATTACKING BLITZ SO WE CAN SPEND MORE TIME ON GOOD FUNDAMENTALS – THIS LEADS TO BETTER EXECUTION). REASONS WE DON’T USE “HOT” RECEIVER(S):

1. QB DOESN’T SEE IT – HE GETS HIT!
2. QB SEES IT BUT RECEIVER DOESN’T!


D) MENTAL APPROACH VS BLITZ:

1. NOT “OH, NO – THEY’RE GOING TO BLITZ – I’M GOING TO GET HIT”, BUT:
2. “OH BOY” – IT’S A BLITZ – WE HAVE A CHANCE FOR A BIG PLAY”!!!


SUMMARY: “KISS” (KEEP IT SIMPLE – THE MORE EFFICIENT YOU ARE, THE MORE YOU MOVE THE CHAINS AND SCORE POINTS)!







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Bill Mountjoy

Edited: 3/15/2006 at 4:04 PM by Oneback

Bill, thanks for that excellent response as always! Those are the type of answers that I feel will really help the young coaches who are striving to get off to a good start with their passing attacks! Thanks again for your ability and willingness to share your experience and knowledge!

We are off to a good start, come on coaches, let us hear from you now!

Coach Easton

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J.C. EASTON<BR>HEAD COACH<BR>GA TIGERS FOOTBALL<BR>PROFESSIONAL MINOR LEAGUE

GREAT STUFF!!!! This is what a coaches website is all about. Not a bunch of high school students, guys playing fotball video games who think their coaches, or people locked up in insane assyslums arguing about 300 differents ways they define BOB protection.

LOL
Very Funny mbk!!!!!



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COACH ZUCK

Coach Zuck,

Can you give us your thoughts on how you go about building a passing game on the HS level? Sure would appreciate your insight.

Coach Easton

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J.C. EASTON<BR>HEAD COACH<BR>GA TIGERS FOOTBALL<BR>PROFESSIONAL MINOR LEAGUE

Great responses. Coincidentally I had just written an article on this very topic for my website. You can check it out here:

http://smartfootball.blogspot....-you-need-in-your.html

My response is a bit more theoretical, of determining "how much" do you need. The basic factors I identified are: 1. You need answers for what you will face (Cover 3, Cover 2, Cover 1, blitz man, etc) 2. You should have no more in your book than you can practice effectively. 3. The amount of practice time you have is allocated based on how often you'll throw it 4. How often you throw it is (to some extent) a function of talent and the specific skills of your players.

Hopefully it is of some help to the coaches here! Thanks to Coach Mountjoy for a great, concrete response. I'd be curious to know exactly what you consider your "package" Coach Easton, as well.

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http://smartfootball.blogspot.com
-Chris Brown

In response to this thread, I feel like I am overstating the obvious, but in some cases the obvious is often overlooked.

I see great schemes and dynamic combination routes, but the QB struggles dramatically on a number of levels.

Some common areas to address with QBs when setting up your pass scheme.

1) A strong foundation of mechanics that the QB understands and can execute. This foundation must be based on a common language that is drilled with informed repetition. There must be feedback that the QB can feel and self diagnose against a standard that he can grasp and repeat. You cannot expect him to function consistently in mechanics if he has no ability to self-correct.

2)

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Darin Slack
www.quarterbackacademy.com

In response to this thread, I feel like I am overstating the obvious, but in some cases the obvious is often overlooked.

I see great schemes and dynamic combination routes, but the QB struggles dramatically on a number of levels.

Some common areas to address with QBs when setting up your pass scheme.

1) A strong foundation of mechanics that the QB understands and can execute. This foundation must be based on a common language that is drilled with informed repetition. There must be feedback that the QB can feel and self diagnose against a standard that he can grasp and repeat. You cannot expect him to function consistently in mechanics if he has no ability to self-correct.

2) He must be able to articulate the OC's philosophy of offense by situation and down and distance. His philosophy must be motivated and framed by a passion to achieve first downs and move the chains, not make big plays for the sake of big plays. Another way to say it, is that he must have the patience to take what the defense gives him.

3) He must possess the maturity to read by elimination. Younger QBs lack confidence in taking what they see a defense is giving, because they feel they need to look for a better offer elsewhere, or they are just looking to force something to get the ball deeper and gain yards. He must be willing to eliminate in the PSL low percentage options and read the field down to the proper area for the route combo called, and stay with it throughout the play. I see kids with a front side curl/flat read on 3rd and 6, and they unwittingly wheel and throw the backside decoy post, just because they wanted to. They must learn discipline and focus to protect possession, field position, and to be successful

4) Being able to read a defense must include a basic ability to recognize zone vs. man, and a capacity to respond and not panic in the face of a blitz. He must be able to identify and sustain a defender read with combo routes in a live rush situation in zone remaining on the proper 1/2 of the field, and he must have the courage to stand in and deliver the ball under pressure to the mismatched receiver in man blitz.

5) His leadership in the passing game must be characterized by physical toughness in taking the abuse often associated with poor protection, and the mental toughness to sustain focus into the secondary throughout a play in spite of inevitable pressure. Most young QBs calculate their investment of what they are willing to take in the way of abuse for the team. His "heart" limitations often reveal themselves in emotional outbursts of frustration, complaining about blocking, open anger at receivers, and overdramatic reactions to getting clobbered. He usually will withdraw emotionally and isolate himself because he lacks the willingness to suffer for his teammates at the level being demanded. All of these responses must be pre-emptively addressed, and corrected during a game. Passivity on the coaches part guarantees failure.

6) The scheme of the offense must include sound stretches horizontally and vertically, provide a blitz option with shallow crossers, delays, screens, checkdowns, etc for the QB to be successful. The passing scheme does not have to be extensive, but it must contain enough variety to put the QB in a positive position. His confidence depends on it. If a defense is able to cover up single receiver routes, or overly generic combinations that lack creativity, it leaves a QB feeling that he must make something happen, and that leads to unnecessary picks and turnovers.

7) The QB in a passing scheme must be "allowed" to turn the ball over. Now we certainly do not encourage this or want it, but like my sons whom I am training to take some risks in their growth, it isn't without some risk of normal immature mistakes. I have to be willing to factor that in early on. Throwing interceptions is a risk related to any scheme. I have heard it said that you cannot gamble with "scared money" you cannot afford to lose, because you don't have the resources to stay in the game when it isn't going your way. Passing in HS is a gamble. If the fear of turnovers is so great, the ball will not get thrown.

My QB was in a game when we were down by 30, and we were throwing it every down. He was new to QB play and had just thrown his 7th pick of the night! He begged me not to throw anymore, but I told him that I didn't care about the number of picks, we were down by 30. I cared about his decisions and the individual throws he was making. He had to be able to fail to get better. Well, what about his confidence? Confidence is developed through sound knowledge and recovered experience. He needed to learn to recover from his mistakes to grow.

What really got me upset most of the time wasn't the picks, it was the presumptuous decision making that lead to it. His impatience and forcing the ball down field does more damage in the long run, than one pick. Bad decisions won't always end up as picks, but the ball does not move in the air if the bad decision making is tolerated. I explain to them that what matters most tonight is patience and consistency of decisions. I am prepared for 2-3 picks a game. Not because I want them, but because I am a realist. The payoff in a well balanced system is the feasibility of breaking 2-3 long plays off the pass, and it forces the defense to take chances that can open up running lanes if we catch them in the blitz.

There is no magic to the scheme, it is still about talent at the end of the day, but the ability to position that talent through the scheme is where the real pass offense succeeds. Throwing the fade to 6'5" basketball players isn't a passing scheme. It is the seamless inclusion of screens, bootlegs, play action, and stretches in the quick and intermediate game that leave a DC guessing and set the QB up for a great night.

Because of what I do in teaching QBs, everybody I play spends all week preparing for me to throw it every down. I also run 4-5 differents types of passing concepts that give the impression that I throw it a lot, when I only actually average 10-15 times a game when we are in it. It is all about perception. You have to demonstrate you can throw it, for teams to respect it, but we don't have to do it to win all the time.

We spend about 90 minutes total a week on the passing scheme in practice, refreshing the concepts and proper routes.

The no fear approach, combined with real QB investment in what matters most, will create a sound passing scheme foundation that DCs have to honor, and it will open up more opportunities to be creative in moving the ball.

Just my thoughts.

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Darin Slack
www.quarterbackacademy.com

Edited: 3/16/2006 at 11:32 PM by dsqa

Not a problem Coach Easton,
But first let me give you my philososphy on Offense in general. We all say you have to coah what you know, but to me whats more important is that you have to Coach something (a system) that you believe in 110%. If you are not comfortablethrowing the ball, then there is no way you should be coaching a Spread - Air Raid type team. If you LOVE option football, then that is something you NEED to coach.
Many times I've seen coaches go to clinics and try to change their entire Offensive philosophy based on one lecture that they've heard.

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COACH ZUCK

Darin,

That is about as comprehensive an answer as I have the pleasure to read in a long time!!! You were careful to include ALL MAJOR PREREQUISITES yet touched adequately on lesser points (for lack of a better word) although it is my personal belief that ALL POINTS are just as important as the next in QB development in becoming profecient in the passing game. PARTICULARLY ON THE HIGH SCHOOL LEVEL.

The answers we are receiving in response to this thread are extremely indicitive of the experience that is available here on JCFB forum, and is offered in the hopes of aiding both experienced and new coaches alike, in their pursuit of excellence in building a successful passing game.

Experienced coaches that have taken their time and effort to offer extensive knowledge and wisdom on this topic are greatly appreciated!!! We still have some heavyweight QB coaches and OC's out there that I am hoping will offer their assessment of the topic at hand.

Spread Attack: I will be more than happy to offer my comments on the subject when I feel as though we have gotten the majority of knowledgable Qb coaches in the country to enter into this discussion. I have posted any number of articles on my philosophy on this topic previously here on the forum. Bill Mountjoy,
Darin Slack and I communicate on a regular basis, and although we don't always agree on every point as no two or three coaches ever do, we pretty much share a common viewpoint on this topic as my response will indicate. We all run QB camps and receiver camps and have for many years. Because of serious health issues, I was forced to retire last season after a 42 year on field career and Bill has been retired now for quite sometime. Darin is the young buck in our circle, and an absolutely cutting edge QB coach as you will find in the country today! Bill and I consult with teams at all levels of play (HS,College,Professional) all around the globe, speak at clinics, etc. I work with teams on the college level in England and pro teams in Australia and Germany, as well as, try to help HS coaches here in our country from California to Florida. Darin is a HC at a Christian Academy in Florida on the High School level now, after a very successful college career at Central Florida University as a QB. Bill and I have both coached several guys who are stars in the NFL today, not just roster names. We have given our lives to football and this is our way of giving back!

Coach Easton



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J.C. EASTON<BR>HEAD COACH<BR>GA TIGERS FOOTBALL<BR>PROFESSIONAL MINOR LEAGUE

Coach Zuck,

I agree with your comment about HAVING TO BELIEVE IN WHAT YOU COACH 150%! I coached the option for long years on the HS level and still maintained it as a part of my play book when I was on the professional minor league level. However, 20 years ago almost now, I fell in love with a spread formation ( 3 x 2) that I got from an ex-Steeler QB named Mike Krusik who was the coach at the Univ. of Central Florida at the time. I had tremendous luck with it from the very beginning and never looked back. My point is you do have to go with what you know, as well as, what you believe in. You can believe in theory all you want, but unless you know how to coach it, what good is it? See my point?

Coach Easton

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J.C. EASTON<BR>HEAD COACH<BR>GA TIGERS FOOTBALL<BR>PROFESSIONAL MINOR LEAGUE

Great posts by Tiger 1, Darin, Zuck, SpreadAttack, MBKCoach, ETC.!

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Bill Mountjoy

Edited: 3/17/2006 at 3:42 PM by Oneback

Darin,

Great post. Particularly enjoyed the part about understanding mistakes/turnovers etc. There is some unfortunate truth to the put-down some running coaches will make of throwing teams that "You can only be good every other year" since your QB has to have some growing pains (not completely true though!). I still remember Heisman winner Charlie Ward having a 5 or 6 interception day early in his career.

Zuck: Great point. The corrollary is if you LOVE option football, or spread offense stuff, or whatever else you will thirst to learn more and more and will watch other teams that do it just because you like it, thus picking up more to pass on to your kids and making you a better coach.

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http://smartfootball.blogspot.com
-Chris Brown

Edited: 3/18/2006 at 7:01 PM by Spreadattack

GO VERTICAL
Apparently you have a limited intelect and vocabulary if that is your best attempt to insult someone.
Its people who post like you who give websites and message boards a bad name!

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COACH ZUCK

Spread Attack,

Sincere thanks for your kind remarks. I am very happy to report that the good Lord has seen fit to strengthen me and I am doing very well at this point. My Doctors are amazed at my recovery. I continue to walk my mile everyday and to go fishing and to take long drives, etc. without overdoing it. My first big goal is to make a big QB camp in West Virginia that is hosted by Coach Bill Powers each year. He invited me last year to be the head instructor and furnished several assistant coaches as well. We just had a great day, with some 100+ QB's attending. Bill Mountjoy will be this year's Head Instructor and I have given him my word that I will be doing my dead level best to be in attendance at this year's camp. Where do you coach, maybe you want to bring your QB's?

Coach Easton

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J.C. EASTON<BR>HEAD COACH<BR>GA TIGERS FOOTBALL<BR>PROFESSIONAL MINOR LEAGUE

Govertical: Give us your name, where you coach, & your record (MBKCOACH will respond with similar info about himself). If YOUR RESUME HALF as impressive as MBKCOACH - you are indeed a great coach.

Only MBKCOACH's MODESTY prevents him from telling you he won the 2004 Virginia High School League 5A State Championship (& beating a team ranked in "USA TODAY'S TOP 10) along the way. His 2005 team finished 9-1!

He is one of the BRIGHTEST & MOST SINCERE young coaches I have ever met.

Your remarks are TOTALLY INAPPROPRIATE!!!!!

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Bill Mountjoy

Edited: 3/18/2006 at 1:37 PM by Oneback

I'm not sure what someone like govertical hopes to gain from comments like that.

Tigerone: Keep up the good work and great to hear that your health is recovering. I don't always make it a mile every day so you're doing pretty well!

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http://smartfootball.blogspot.com
-Chris Brown

Edited: 1/10/2008 at 9:09 AM by Spreadattack

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Originally posted by: Oneback
Govertical: Give us your name, where you coach, & your record (MBKCOACH will respond with similar info about himself). If YOUR RESUME HALF as impressive as MBKCOACH - you are indeed a great coach.

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I don't CARE who MBK coach is. And the fact that he has an impressive resume does not in the least detract from the fact that he is a tool because he can't let something that happened over a MONTH ago on a different board die. HE brought it up, not me! The only reason I even posted is because your boy stirred the pot.

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Originally posted by: Oneback
Only MBKCOACH's MODESTY prevents him from telling you he won the 2004 Virginia High School League 5A State Championship (& beating a team ranked in "USA TODAY'S TOP 10) along the way. His 2005 team finished 9-1! He is one of the BRIGHTEST & MOST SINCERE young coaches I have ever met.

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So what you are saying is that he successfully passed the Bill Mountjoy Grand Poo-Bah Butt Kissing Test?

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Originally posted by: Oneback
Your remarks are TOTALLY INAPPROPRIATE!!!!!

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I'll lose a lot of sleep tonight knowing that you think my remarks are inappropriate. What about your boy's comments, Bill? Was it appropriate for your boy to post what he did? I don't see you getting all up in his business.



Edited: 3/18/2006 at 3:23 PM by govertical

Troy,

Really good and thought prevoking topic you started. Been a lot of good comments so far. We may only have a few regular posters right now, but by gosh we know what we are talking about and we don't need to get bogged down and sidetracked with meaningless drivel. Most went to other boards because they don't want to listen to experience, they really believe that they have all the answers. When I start seeing THIER NAMES on the speakers list at MEANINGFUL CLINICS, not some local gathering of a handful of local coaches, then I will have much more respect for their opinions as that will mean they now have some CREDENTIALS ESTABLISHED. When I see them being asked to be the HEAD INSTRUCTOR at prestigious
football camps, see them win a championship, send any number of players to Div 1-A universities, asscociate with top NFL and College coaches ( not just speak with them at some clinic) on a regular basis as some of us do, then they will have earned my respect. But, not until.

Lets not slip our standards here at JCFB and just keep on keeping on!

Coach Easton

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J.C. EASTON<BR>HEAD COACH<BR>GA TIGERS FOOTBALL<BR>PROFESSIONAL MINOR LEAGUE

Govertical - what MBKCOACH posted was NOT personal towards YOU! What YOU posted WAS PERSONAL towards him! Can't you figure that out for yourself?

The GOOD thing about THIS site (that you do not get on others) is that MOST of us know each other (Jerry Campbell, Jerry Easton, Darin Slack, Chris Brown, Troy Taylor, Seth Zuckerman, Scott Westbury, ETC.). On the "other" site - 90% of them want to be "anon" - which is VERY SUSPICIOUS! I think everybody should be willing to IDENTIFY themselves - unless you have something to HIDE! As the great Darrell Royal said - pay no attention to anything anonymous - it the sender doesn't have the "guts" to sign it - it is WORTHLESS!!!!!

You have had the last response from me you will get!

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Bill Mountjoy

Edited: 3/18/2006 at 9:00 PM by Oneback

Yes Coach Easton I do see your point. At the time I was in school, and I had to stop my post at that point and teach some American History! It was something I was going to say myself in an additional post. Unfortunately we've been sidetracked.
But yes you must both believe in it and know it! If you don't know something well you're going to have a heck of a time trying to teach it!

ZUCK

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COACH ZUCK

Gentleman,
The last time I checked I was one of thousands of high school football coaches around the country. Add to those numbers the total number of freshman, JV, and Varsity high school coaches from the other sports and number might be multiply by fifty. I though my job was to teach young men, teamwork, integrity, and HUMILITY. If I believe for a second that I am there to do any other thing than I am misguided. My only goal is to teach them how to do the next right thing.

I have played for and coached for state championship teams and was lucky enough to play at the college level. I have also coached some very bad football teams. In fact the best year I have ever had coaching was 2 years ago when we went 4-5. My starting right tackle that year was a young man who was a drummer in the marching band the year before. We were not very good but we did prepare those kids to go out and compete every week. I don’t know how to place a value on that nor should I.

Socrates once wrote that a wise man is the man who admits he knows nothing. I have learned something from every single coach I have ever talked to. I have either learned what to do or what not to do. When it comes to football every good idea I ever had was stolen from someone else. Anything that I ever did that was original was most likely not very good.

Once last point, my high school coach won close to hundred games and 2 state titles in 12 years. It was both an honor to play for and coach under him. I never heard him speak at a clinic and never saw him make a video. But if your team bus had to stop at Holloway field on a Friday night you knew what was waiting for you. I only hope that the teams and coaches in my local area remember me in the same way.


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Don't worry about the horse being blind. Just load the wagon

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Originally posted by: Oneback
You have had the last response from me you will get!

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So does this mean I shouldn't be surprised when I don't get a Christmas card this year?

This question by Tiger 1 began a promising thread (below): To those who gave concrete, constructive answers - continue on with the disscussion!

JERRY EASTON POSTED:

Coaches,

As a long time Head Coach, QB coach, and Offensive coordinator I am often asked by High School level coaches what are my most important prerequisites when helping someone to build a successful passing attack on the high school level?

My objective in starting this thread is to have some other well experienced passing game coaches weigh in with their opinions on this question. I would like for you to touch on the major points of what you feel are the most intelligent answers to helping these young coaches get off to a good start.

I want to hear from all coaches, of course, but would especially like to hear from BILL MOUNTJOY, DARIN SLACK, JOHN McGREGOR, LYLEL LANSDEL, THE DYNAMIC DUO OF COVERDALE-ROBINSON, AND ANY AND ALL COLLEGE AND PRO LEVEL QB COACHES OR OC'S.

Lets help other coaches all we can!

Coach Easton




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Bill Mountjoy

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Originally posted by: Oneback
This question by Tiger 1 began a promising thread (below): To those who gave concrete, constructive answers - continue on with the disscussion!

JERRY EASTON POSTED:

Coaches,

As a long time Head Coach, QB coach, and Offensive coordinator I am often asked by High School level coaches what are my most important prerequisites when helping someone to build a successful passing attack on the high school level?

My objective in starting this thread is to have some other well experienced passing game coaches weigh in with their opinions on this question. I would like for you to touch on the major points of what you feel are the most intelligent answers to helping these young coaches get off to a good start.

I want to hear from all coaches, of course, but would especially like to hear from BILL MOUNTJOY, DARIN SLACK, JOHN McGREGOR, LYLEL LANSDEL, THE DYNAMIC DUO OF COVERDALE-ROBINSON, AND ANY AND ALL COLLEGE AND PRO LEVEL QB COACHES OR OC'S.

Lets help other coaches all we can!

Coach Easton

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I guess that I will take that as a "no" for the Christmas card!

It seems like every time we get a good discussion going over here, some coaches want to get on and try to RUIN it. Sorry Go Vertical didnt have time to respond to your comment about me. I was to busy visting NC State learning from and meeting with the likes of Bill Cowber (Steelers HC), Jimbo Fisher (LSU OC), Marc Trestman (NCS OC), Rick Portee (NCS RB coach), and Dwayne Dixon (NCS WR coach worked for Spurrier). I know you dont like name dropping and I hope that did not offend you. But once again I am sorry I didnt have the time to respond to your personal attacks on me, I was to busy waking up at 5am and getting home at 2am. Right now I am second guessing myself, maybe I should not have gone and just stayed at home and read all of Go Verticals posts. I probably would have learned ALOT more than going and visting with those coaches.

Edited: 3/19/2006 at 5:30 AM by mbkcoach

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Originally posted by: mbkcoach
It seems like every time we get a good discussion going over here, some coaches want to get on and try to RUIN it.

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lol! YOU are the clown who brought up something TOTALLY UNRELATED TO THIS THREAD that happened over a MONTH ago on a different board! So, I stand corrected. Not only are you a tool, but you are a hypocrite as well!

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Originally posted by: mbkcoachSorry Go Vertical didnt have time to respond to your comment about me. I was to busy visting NC State learning from and meeting with the likes of Bill Cowber (Steelers HC), Jimbo Fisher (LSU OC), Marc Trestman (NCS OC), Rick Portee (NCS RB coach), and Dwayne Dixon (NCS WR coach worked for Spurrier). I know you dont like name dropping and I hope that did not offend you. But once again I am sorry I didnt have the time to respond to your personal attacks on me, I was to busy waking up at 5am and getting home at 2am. Right now I am second guessing myself, maybe I should not have gone and just stayed at home and read all of Go Verticals posts. I probably would have learned ALOT more than going and visting with those coaches.

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You are so full of yourself...Do you really think that you are the ONLY coach who has visited with college coaches?

Just wanted to chime in quickly here and thank those who shared very kind remarks about my earlier post. I consider it a continual privilege to post my opinion on a message board, and have men who know a great deal more than me express that it was helpful to them. I am grateful. Thank you.

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Darin Slack
www.quarterbackacademy.com

Edited: 3/19/2006 at 6:34 AM by dsqa

Any chance we can talk about Football?

Can we leave the bickering to the old woman and parents who think their 5'4" son should be getting a scholarship to play Tail Back at a Big Ten school; regardless of his grades!

COACHES can we have an armistice and just talk about FOOTBALL!!

ISN'T THAT SUPPOSE TO BE OUR PASSION!!



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COACH ZUCK

guys,
I think the best way to alleviate this "problem" is to ignore it and it will go away because it is obvious that the "problem" needs some attention and it shouldn't be our responsibility to give it to him!

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Originally posted by: COACH ZUCK
Any chance we can talk about Football?

Can we leave the bickering to the old woman and parents who think their 5'4" son should be getting a scholarship to play Tail Back at a Big Ten school; regardless of his grades!

COACHES can we have an armistice and just talk about FOOTBALL!!

ISN'T THAT SUPPOSE TO BE OUR PASSION!!

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Coach Zuck -

You are absolutely right. Apologies to you and all of the other fine coaches (RLB49, Coach Hartman, Coach Slack, Tiger One, BlackFly73, etc, etc) to whom my comments were most certainly NOT directed.

This will be my last post on the matter.

Some things to help young coaches working on the passing game.

Timing is very important. 3 step game needs to be gone in 1.3 seconds, 5 step game needs to be gone in 2.3 seconds. When teaching the curl- Dwayne Dixon told me this on Friday night, "It is the QBs responsibilty to get the WR open on the curl route".

Now Im waiting to see govertical to add some football related info to this thread.

Edited: 3/19/2006 at 9:10 AM by mbkcoach

Good posts, Tiger 1 & MBKCOACH! NOW - will others who are visiting this thread please contribute something FOOTBALL WISE?????

I am enclosing the following which I posted elsewhere on the JCFB site today in answer to another question, but it fits in to the discussion on this thread!

As far as READS ("concepts" entail much more than pre & post snap reads, but here goes anyway):

PRE-SNAP COVERAGE READS

A) Scan the formation for uncovered receivers. If uncovered receivers – signal uncovered check.

B) Find the Weak Safety for PRE-SNAP read.

1. If the W/S is low – check other coverage keys for “Cover 0”.
2. If the W/S is high – check other coverage keys for “Cover 1” or “Cover 3”
3. If there are 2 safeties and they are both low – check other coverage keys for
“Cover 0”.
4. If there are 2 safeties and they are both high – check other coverage keys for
“Cover 2”, “Cover 2/Man”, or “Cover 4” (1/4’s).
5. If there are 2 safeties and they are staggered – check other coverage keys for
“Cover 1/Robber” or “Cover 3/Robber”.

NOTE: QB must be aware of the following actions from a well “disguised” secondary in the dropback passing game:

A) If there is 1 safety and he rolls down hard after the snap – HAVE A PLAN VS. PRESSURE!
B) If there are 2 safeties and both roll down hard after the snap – HAVE A PLAN VS. PRESSURE!
C) If the W/S or 2 safeties maintain their alignment after the snap – execute your progression reads with an awareness of where the weaknesses are in the coverage and which coverage defender we are attacking.


POST-SNAP READS (“READING THE SQUARE”):

One of the most important areas in determining secondary coverages is the middle of the field about 15 to 25 yards deep and about 2 yards inside of each hash. We call this area the “square”.

We normally read the “square” in our drop back passing game. Reading the “square” becomes necessary when it is impossible to determine what the coverage is before the snap or to make sure of secondary coverage after the snap.

In reading the “square” the QB simply looks down the middle of the field. He should not focus on either Safety but see them both in his peripheral vision.

A) If neither Safety shows up in the “square”, and both are deep, it will indicate a form of Cover 2. A quick check of Corner alignment and play will indicate whether it is a 2/Man or 2/Zone. If neither Safety shows up in the “square” and both are shallow, it will indicate a Cover 0 (blitz look).

B) If the Strong Safety shows up in the “square”, this will indicate a Cover 3 rolled weak or
possibly a Cover 1.

C) If the Weak Safety shows up in the “square”, this will indicate a strong side coverage. It
could be a Cover 3 or a Cover 1. If the coverage is Cover 3, it could be a Cover 3/Sky (Safety), or a Cover 3/Cloud (Corner), depending on who has the short zone.

NOTE: When either of the Safeties shows up in the “square”, the best percentage area to throw the ball in is the side that he came from! If NEITHER of the Safeties show up in the “square” – throwing the ball into the “square” is a high percentage throw.





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Bill Mountjoy

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Bill Mountjoy

My name was not on that list of coaches and I don't even have a resume. I have never payed organized football and I have taught myself everything I know from attending clinics watching film of whatever I can get me hands on and listening to the wisdom of Bill, Jerry E., Darin, and Chris Brown. (I have printed out everything Bill has ever written). I have never met any of these of persons, but enjoy corresponding with them on these boards. I did met Coach Campbell at a Mega Clinic several years ago in Richmond, VA. I would love to coach football someday. So if the wise guru's will allow me to present some humble opinions, I will do my best.

I have always been fascinated with the FSU offense of the early 90's. I have the videos of the FSU staff, some film and the book by Wayne Wilkes. I like it because it is simple and yet can be very multiple. For HS you must KEEP IT SIMPLE. I also have a tremendos almount of respect for Bobby Bowden and Mark Richt. This system has been very sucessful for them. I was just reviewing some of the information on Tommy Bowden's "Sprint Draw and Sprint Draw Pass" video last night. The Sprint Draw is easy to block, with easy adjustments and variations. But you also have PA passes, boots, and waggles off of just 1 play. You are also able to attact 5-6 flanks of the defense. You can also run this package from the gun w/multipe WR. So right there you have a foundation for some place to start with just one play.

In my dream world of coaching...I would run Sprint Draw, Toss, FB Belly, FB Trap, and Counter. In the passing game I would run the 3-step (Slant, Hitch, Fade), 5-step (Smash, Vertical, Double Outs, Curl, Double Ins on the strong side. Shallow cross). All this can be run from multiple formations and personnel groupings. This is really the FSU offense.

As always I am open to constructive criticism from the guru's so that I can further refine my thinking. Thanks guys for the opportunity to share some of my humble thoughts and thank you for all the insight you have given to me.

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Rich Hair
Not a coach yet, just a serious student of the game.

Rhair,
Excellent post! Keep learning everyday!

Rich - much of what we did in the passing game CAME from FSU. They got it from Sid Gillman in 1964. Guys like Joe Gibbs, Dan Henning, Bobby Bowden, Bill Parcells, ETC were assistants there in the period from 1964 to 1970.

I talked with Mark Richt almost daily in 1995 & 1996 (when I was passing game coordinator in college).

Get a 1994 Florida St playbook - it has ALL the stuff in there!

Bill
billmountjoy@yahoo.com

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Bill Mountjoy

Bill,

Have that playbook, in fact, I have two copies of it. It is an encyclopedia of knowledge. I am so envious of you. Not only did you know and talk to the late great El Sid, but my favorite college coach, Mark Richt. I have talked to him twice at football clinics. I haven't been able to get any film out him though. He is genuinely a real gentleman. I know Jerry E. has had experience with him as well.

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Rich Hair
Not a coach yet, just a serious student of the game.

Do you have both of Richts tapes on the shotgun and bitz pickup? I recommend them. Also the FSU shallow cross video is excellent!

Well im the guy that uses the Run and Shoot I usually send four in the route and protect with 6 but i have built in hot routes in all my pass patterns. We don't have a progression as far as 1,2,3 but I rather read the adjustment that the D makes to me motioning to 3x1. I don't know if this is the way the guys in D1 or the NFL do it but the guy that I got my stuff from coached at a division 3 college in Indiana who won something like 300 hundred games and a National Championship as an Offensive Coordinator in the NAIA. I agree with the guy that said you need to coach a system. I also agree with that you need to be able to protect with seven that is one thing i like to do when i play pass. The idea that you have to have a healthy screen and draw game i also agree with.

Isn't there a book about adapating the Florida State offense for high school i don't know if its any good but you can get it pretty cheap on amazon.

Run & Shoot = a fine offense. Properly planned & executed it is about as good as any.

We use some 6 man pro too, but always maintain the ability to go 7 (& 8 IF NECESSARY) pro!

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Bill Mountjoy

Yes, I have everything that's out there that I know of. I have never tried writting to them to see if they would send me any film of there early to mid-90's stuff.

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Rich Hair
Not a coach yet, just a serious student of the game.

Rich - if you are interested in attending our annual clinic in Richmond this mid-July (exact date not yet set) - I will have plenty of FSU cutups from the mid 90's available.

The clinic is free, & by invitation only!

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Bill Mountjoy

Now, this is more like it!!! Great posts by all!!! Bill, great breakdown as always on your post! Troy, you brought out some very relevant points concerning the very cornerstone of the successful passing game and of course I am referring to the TIMING ASPECT, not only on so called timing patterns, but the important part it plays in any pass play!

If you are lucky enough to receive an invitation from Bill to his clinic this Summer, if you can make it I think you will find it more than worhtwhile!!! He has NFL coaches, college coaches, and High School coaches that are only the best in the profession!

Rich, with the degree of intelligence you exhibit and the knowledge you have acquired to this point in your young career, you should be a whale of a coach someday!!! Just remember some sage advice: you can draw x and o's with the best of them, but if you don't know how to handle your players, you will be dead in the water! It is always about the guys, not the strategies or schemes, etc. and the more you can learn about this aspect of coaching, at least IMO, that is what will really make you successful someday.

Still looking for input on this thread, lets not let it die. We are looking for EVERYBODY'S OPINION HERE.

Coach Easton

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J.C. EASTON<BR>HEAD COACH<BR>GA TIGERS FOOTBALL<BR>PROFESSIONAL MINOR LEAGUE

Coaches,
Let me just say that this is by far my favorite site to visit and learn about the great game we coach. As a young QB coach and aspiring Offensive Coordinator, who has been at the college level and High school level, I can say that I'm both humbled and encouraged when I get on this site. Humbled b/c some of you guys put me to shame and encouraged b/c I'm learning so much. This is a great site! Coach Slack I bought your Vol 1 and think its a great video! Coach Mountjoy, I've never met you in person, but thank you for your openess to share.

-Coach Longoria-

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Success is peace of mind that is a direct result of self-satisfaction in knowing that you made the effort to become the best you are capable of becoming<BR> John Wooden

COACH LONGORIA,

Always glad to have a college level guy join our discussions pertaining to QB's. Did you play or coach on the college level? I'm sure Darin and Bill greatly appreciate your kind remarks! Would you care to weigh in on the topic? Welcome aboard!

Coach Easton

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J.C. EASTON<BR>HEAD COACH<BR>GA TIGERS FOOTBALL<BR>PROFESSIONAL MINOR LEAGUE

Coach
I am a former graduate assistant. Because of family reasons, I now coach HS football in Texas. It was a great experience and I really learned alot. I've seen the passing game put together in a variety of ways...some really good and some really bad. The Great passing attacks that I've seen feature the following:

1. A passing attack that contains schemes or "patterns" to attack all coverages- man, cover 2, cover 3, cover 4...and at the college level zone pressures. Now, for each coverage you may have only 1 or 2 patterns that you work to beat those coverages with the ability to tag or add a wrinkle. The really good systems I believe are ones in which a pattern can attack man and zone or multiple coverages at the same time.

2. A passing attack that teaches a FEW SIMPLE reads or concepts for the QB. I've learned this is vital b/c I belive playing QB is the most challenging position in all of football. Its like swinging a golf club with 7 or 8 guys trying to take your head off. Therefore, the more simple you can keep the reads for the QB, the better b/c it give you a chance to rep, rep, rep it! Like others on here have said, it gives the QB confidence and comfort in the system and he is reacting not thinking.

3. A passing attack that teaches FEW and SIMPLE protections. I think this is vital and actually I've should have put this at the top b/c PROTECTING the QB comes FIRST! And once again if you keep the scheme simple and the player are reacting and not thinking, it gives them a better chance to execute and do it with quality. (I love what Coach Mountjoy said about protections up above!!!)

4. A passing attack that compliments the running game. Using formations, motions, ect.. equally in the running game and the passing game. Every GREAT defensive coach that I've worked with and played for (and I've been around some good ones) says that the hardest offense to defend in one that is balanced in formation and one that hides its intentions. A solid Play Action scheme would fit in this category also.

These are some of the main lessons I've learned about the passing game in my short career. Obviously having a screen and draw is a important aspect of a passing system. I think one of the biggest lessons I'm learning now is that it comes down to you as the coach believing in the system and your players believing it as the Gospel! That to me is the most important thing. I see so many coaches try to be freakin geniuses out there and they are, but thier kids have no clue and they cant perform! YOU HAVE TO KISS IT, TEACH IT WELL & REP, REP, REP!! Men, I hope I've shared something valuable here and i'm glad to be apart of this discussion.

-Coach Longoria-

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Success is peace of mind that is a direct result of self-satisfaction in knowing that you made the effort to become the best you are capable of becoming<BR> John Wooden

Edited: 3/21/2006 at 2:00 PM by tecmobowl

COACH LONGORIA,

AN EXCELLENT AND WELL THOUGHT OUT POST! We will be looking for your input on a regular basis here on the forum. Thanks once again for that input! You touched upon some very pertinent points that always need to be reiterated, in my opinion.

Coach Easton

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J.C. EASTON<BR>HEAD COACH<BR>GA TIGERS FOOTBALL<BR>PROFESSIONAL MINOR LEAGUE

Coach Longoria - very good job!!!!!!

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Bill Mountjoy

Oneback,
What are some of the drills that you do to prepare your QB's

What would you be looking for from your HS qb's right now? Drills, throws etc...

Any advice on building leadership from the QB position. I have a stud QB who can throw and run better than anyone I have ever had. He is not a leader. Has a problem controlling the huddle and the offense. He has been on varsity for 2 years and started at WR because we had a great leader in another QB. I have tried and thought the other kid would rub off but it has not worked.

ANY THOUGHTS?

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Warrior Pride

Cory Marsell

HASH MARK DRILL (THE ONLY QB DRILL WE DO DAILY – AS WELL AS IN PRE-GAME):

OBJECTIVE: TEACHES 3 & 5 STEP DROPS & THROWS TO A MAN 17 YDS. AWAY HORIZONTALLY, & 6 OR 12 YDS. DEEP VERTICALLY (THE WIDTH & DEPTH OF MOST OF OUR PASSES TO WR’s):

1. PUT ONE QB ON THE HASH 1 YD OFF THE LOS TO ALLOW 1 YD FOR CENTER. PUT THE OTHER QB ON THE OPPOSITE HASH EITHER 6 YDS DEEP VERTICALLY (IF WORKING ON 3 STEP DROPS) OR 12 YDS DEEP VERTICALLY (IF WORKING ON 5 STEP DROPS).
2. QB’s DROP BACK & THROW BACK & FORTH TO EACH OTHER. HAVE 2-3 FOOTBALLS IN FRONT OF QB’s SO THEY WON’T WASTE TIME CHASING BAD THROWS.
NOTE: HAVE QB’S THROW EQUAL AMOUNT TO THE RIGHT & LEFT.



GOAL POST DRILL

OBJECTIVE: TEACHES A HIGH RELEASE (HELPS YOU GET YOUR ARM UP AND OVER).

1. LINE UP QB’S 10 YARDS FROM GOAL POST.
2. THROW BALL AS CLOSE AS YOU CAN TO CROSS BAR.

DEEP BALL DRILL: Purpose: To teach a quarterback the proper throwing spot and trajectory when throwing the deep “up” pass. Equipment: 55 gallon plastic garbage cans. Procedure: 1. Place garbage cans approximately 42 yards downfield and 4 to 5 yards inside the boundary. 2. Quarterbacks should simulate their proper drop (full speed) and attempt to throw the football into the containers.
3. After throwing to the targets, remove the cans and have receivers run patterns (“ups”) that will get them to the same spot, 42 yards downfield. Depth can be adjusted for younger quarterbacks and shorter drops. Technique is the same. Full speed drops and proper trajectory. Coaching Points 1. Emphasize full speed drops. 2. Emphasize keeping ball in bounds. 3. Emphasize proper trajectory that would allow ball to fall into garbage can. This will emphasize proper arc of the pass.


The following QB Manual from my old friend, an Henning, is what we would give out:

Dan Henning QB Manual

A quarterback must accept two facts:

* Knowledge, self-discipline and concentration lead to consistency. Only
careful and sound preparation will produce the results to develop into a
championship quarterback.
* You will be subject to more second-guessing and criticism than any other
player.

***A good quarterback has total control at the line of scrimmage***

Performance Characteristics

A quarterback has natural passing, faking, ball handling and play calling
ability. He knows and can read defenses. He can throw long and short. He can
drill and can soften and throw with a light touch. He sets up quickly
without wasted motion. He can pump the ball and look off defenders when it
is appropriate. He has quickness with arms, feet and hands. He gets the ball
away fast. He has a great arm and mind, a rare combination.

A good quarterback always takes inventory of himself. In the analysis of the
former great ones at the quarterback position, these qualities very
definitely prevailed. They always came off the practice field a better
player in at least one of these areas.

Having good arm strength to throw over the defense and complete the deep
pass really opens up an offensive attack.

Huddle Control and Mechanics

The quarterback must have total control of the huddle. You must always take
charge and have the ability to keep control. You cannot afford to be
distracted. Suggestions should be discussed on the sideline, not during a
drive.

You must stay away from the huddle until the play is given to you or until
you have reached a decision on what play to call. Once the decision has been
made, move into the huddle, call the play distinctly, never talking too
fast, and never lacking authority and assurance that it is the best play.

Once at the line of scrimmage, it is important that the quarterback be
consistent. He should always do the following, in the same order:

* Scan the defense

* Put his hands under the center

* Go through the cadence properly

* Be positive and distinct in calling the cadence

Good ball handling is the result of many hours of practice with a
quarterback and the running backs who will be executing the play together on
game day.

The QB-Center Exchange

Stance

The feet should be comfortably spread, approximately the width of the
armpits, with the toes pointed straight ahead. The knees should be slightly
bent to facilitate getting away from the center faster after taking the
snap. For balance, the body weight should be over the balls of the feet,
slightly shifted to the push off foot. The quarterback should always stand
tall, with a slight bend at the waist and a slight forward shoulder roll.
The hips should be lowered so that the knees are slightly bent. The arms
should always be kept slightly bent, relaxed, loose and close to the body.
This enables the quarterback to follow the center and adjust to the ball if
the center does not hit dead center of the top hand.

Hands

The upper hand should be pressed firmly against the center's crotch, wrist
deep. The fingers should be spread but relaxed. The upper hand should be
dead center in the center's crotch, with the wrist fitting the curve of the
center's behind, knuckle deep. Pressure should be applied upward. This is
the center's target. Make him feel the pressure. The thumb of the upper hand
may be under the thumb of the lower hand, with interlacing them an option.

The thumbs should be pressed together, or as stated earlier, you may
interlace the lower hand thumb on top of the upper hand thumb. The Lower
hand should face the center's opposite foot. The fingers of the lower hand
should be extended and spread, pointed toward the ground.

Snap -- Exchange of Ball

The center must adjust the laces before the snap. The QB must get the laces
where he wants them when he takes a snap. The QB must keep pressure on the
center's crotch until the ball is in his hands. The snap should be as hard
as possible by the center. The exchange must be executed with speed. The
ball must SMACK into the crease of the upper hand quickly. The center should
give it a slight twist so it fits the QB's hands.

The ball should be close to parallel to the ground at contact with the rear
point slightly upward. If the ball hits the groove of the upper hand
properly, you will hear the SMACK.

The QB should receive the ball "well up" into both hands. Both hands should
be just back of the middle of the ball. The lower hand should be used to
trap the ball. When the ball SMACKS into the crease of the upper hand, fold
under it with the lower hand. Both hands must follow the center forward.

Hand Off

As the ball is snapped, pressure should be applied to the center's crotch
while turning the head and shoulders to locate the belt buckle or the mid
section of the ball carrier. The quarterback should keep his elbows and ball
close to the midsection. The ball should be "looked" into the ball carrier's
midsection while making the handoff.



Faking

A quarterback must be convincing when he fakes by having the proper
attitude. A good fake can be executed using TWO HANDS, with both hands
remaining on the football or it can be done with ONE HAND, with the ball
held close to the body with one hand and placing the empty hand against the
ball carrier as he fakes by. When possible, follow a fake with your head and
eyes.

Offensive Huddle Drill

Purpose: To give the quarterback practice in stepping into the huddle,
calling a play, breaking the huddle in unison, and getting to the line of
scrimmage and executing a running play.

Equipment: Football

Procedure:

1. Offensive team huddles 5 to 7 yards from the football.

2. Coach signals play to quarterback from sideline.

3. QB steps into huddle and calls play and snap count. He then leads the
huddle break and moves with the offense to the line of scrimmage.

4. Once lined up, the QB calls the cadence and the ball is snapped on proper
snap count, and play is executed.

5. Entire offense, including QB, should sprint to a yard line determined by
coaches. Then they should jog back, to the outside, and rehudddle for their
next play as another offensive unit is running a play. No defense is needed
for this drill

Coaching Points:

1. Coaches should be sure huddle is exactly as they want it. As offense
breaks the huddle, it should be in unison as determined by coaches.

2. Every offensive player should sprint off the ball full speed.

3. Emphasis should be placed on perfect execution of the ball exchange
between the quarterback and ball carrier.

4. QB should always execute his fakes after handing off the ball.

Dropback Passing Fundamentals

Setting to Pass

1. If you expect protection, you must understand the area we are trying to
protect and stay there.

2. The width of the protection area is from the outside hip of one offensive
tackle to the another.

3. The depth of the protection area is 9 yards.

4. Setting to pass as fast as possible without losing body control will aid
your completion record. It gives you time to look to your receiver and
deliver the ball properly with the necessary timing.

5. The key to setting to pass with necessary speed is pushing or driving off
the right foot. It prevents sitting out and throws the body away from the
line fast. It also enables the quarterback to follow the center on the snap.

6. DISCIPLINE: the key to successful passing. You must accomplish the
following to become a top passer:

- Read the coverage before the ball is snapped. (Pre-snap read)

- After the ball is snapped, push of your key foot, the right foot.

- Get away from the line of scrimmage as quickly as you can.

- The first stride should be a long one.

- At the snap, you must study your reading area.

- You must use the proper footwork to fit the route run by the receiver in
order to obtain good timing of the throw.

- After reaching your setting spot, if the receiver is not open, move up
into the pocket for additional protection and time.

- Be certain to read the underneath coverage as the flare action (back
swinging) may be your best receiver.

- Throw or run at first daylight.

- 7. Our setup areas vary according to the type of pass (route or pattern)
being thrown. It is measured in length of stride:

- 1 and 2 (3 steps)

- 7,9,4 (5 and 2) (7 steps)

- 8,6,3,5 (3 and 2) (5 steps)

8. The ball must be held chest high and with two hands. Unless the pattern
requires pumping the ball, pound it into your left hand. Keep the ball chest
high and in both hands, ready to unload quickly.

9. Steps in drop must not be longer than can be controlled.

10. Setting up in the pocket must be done as quickly as possible.

11. Break your sprint back with the right foot and get cocked and ready for
delivery. Make a move into the pocket.

12. The key to good passing technique is to drop off to the required
distance with intense speed. Set up to pass in a good balanced position.
Keep the ball chest high: hold the ball with two hands prepared for a quick
delivery. Stay in the pocket and be oblivious to the rush. Put the ball in
the air at the proper time with the proper speed and trajectory. Accomplish
this and you have it made.

13. Types of Footwork on delivery:

Hit -Throw. The basic throwing footwork is to push off rear foot, step with
forward foot parallel to target and throw.

Hit- Hang or Sit- Throw. Hang or sit on a plant foot, and after hesitation
push, step and throw.

Hit-Shuffle-Throw. When you need more power, push off rear foot and shuffle
along target line, then throw.

14. Make your move up and out- never around. This will result in a big loss.
You must avoid the big loss. Second and ten is nothing. Second and 20 kills
us. Wandering off and running around rushers hurts us, and more especially,
you.

15. If you don't like what you see and can't go to your outlet, run-straight
away.

Coaching Points for Play Action Passes

1. You must be willing to take a shot at a touchdown from anywhere on the
field.
2. You must script and practice the play action pass you will use from
various field positions: backed up inside own 5 yard line, +50, +25 +5, goal
line, etc
3. Our best play action shots come off our three basic run plays: Counter
Gap, Inside Zone, and Draw. Use your best-run plays to set up your play
action pass game.

Good draw fake will freeze linebackers.

We have a great deal more variety than this, but these are three plays that
have been very productive "shots" for touchdowns on mix downs.


PS: CHECK OUT ANYTHING ON QB PLAY BY DARIN SLACK & JERRY EASTON (ON THIS SITE)!





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Bill Mountjoy

Edited: 3/23/2006 at 7:43 AM by Oneback

I dont not know a better way to practive the timing and rhythm of the 3 and 5 step game without WRs than Coach Mountjoy's hash mark drill. Many people do not know this but Coach Mountjoy gave that drill to UGA's Mark Richt when he was at FSU.

WARRIOR 777,

Bill has just posted a very complete development package for any young QB! You certainly would be well served to use as much of it as you possibly can!

Not wishing to be redundant and cover what he has, I would like to add a thought about your young man's leadership ability, or lack there of, at this point in his career. It is my opinion that the ability to take COMPLETE CHARGE IN THE HUDDLE IS ABSOLUTELY IMPERATIVE. One could offer volumes on this aspect of his training alone, but for expediency's sake here, let it suffice to say that this is something that has to be instilled in him IMMEDIATELY. An undisciplined huddle, IMO, is the very worst thing an offense can do to it'self! Not to have a QB who can take charge of the huddle is to set yourself up for failure.

I have a website: leaguelineup.com/jce where I offer daily tips for developing QB's and receivers 7 days a week. IT IS IN NO WAY COMPETITION TO ANY WEBSITE OUT THERE, AS I SELL NOTHING, YOU ARE NOT ASKED TO JOIN, ETC. BUT SIMPLY OFFER GOOD SOUND TIPS FOR COACHING QB'S AND RECEIVERS BASED ON A 42 YEAR ON FIELD CAREER HAVING DONE THAT. I only post here on the JCFB forum.

At any rate, here is my procedure for having a QB control the huddle:

1. Make certain the QB remains outside the huddle until he has the play! This insures that other players will not be distracting him with things like: Throw me the ball, I'm open every play! I can beat my defender any day of the week, get me the ball! I'm the Running back, give me the ball! etc, etc, etc.
As an ex-QB I assure you this will drive you nuts some nights!!!

2. When he has the play, step into the huddle and take charge by uttering one single word: READY!!!
Upon hearing this word, that is the signal for EVERYONE ELSE TO GET LOCK JAW!!! DO NOT ARGUE WITH YOUR PLAYERS IN THE HUDDLE! IF THERE ARE ANY VIOLATORS WHO CONTINUE TO RUN THEIR MOUTHS AFTER HEARING THE WORD "READY", AFTER THE SERIES IS OVER AND YOU ARE BACK ON THE SIDELINE,
SIMPLY HAVE HIM TELL THE OC WHO IS DISRUPTING THE HUDDLE AND LET THE COACH HANDLE IT!!! But, this is a cancer in the huddle and must be corrected right now!!!

Coach Easton

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J.C. EASTON<BR>HEAD COACH<BR>GA TIGERS FOOTBALL<BR>PROFESSIONAL MINOR LEAGUE

Thanks coaches for all of your responses and time. I have printed a few things out and will continue to look at them.
Cory

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Warrior Pride

Cory Marsell

Warrior,

Let us know how things turn out for you, if you have the time.

Coach Easton

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J.C. EASTON<BR>HEAD COACH<BR>GA TIGERS FOOTBALL<BR>PROFESSIONAL MINOR LEAGUE

OK COACHES,

I gave it a shot to get things going in the right direction again here on our forum. How about you guys starting a new thread on some other QB or passing game topic now?

Coach Easton

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J.C. EASTON<BR>HEAD COACH<BR>GA TIGERS FOOTBALL<BR>PROFESSIONAL MINOR LEAGUE

Tiger One....I'll try to start this thread up again.

Any newcomer to this thread should go back and read the above thoughts.


Now, some of the coaches above have played QB or taught the QB for years.

Some thoughts:

In order to install a passing game, you better be able to articulate exactly what you want your QB to handle.

Explain his reads to him against Cov 0, Cov 1, Cov 2, cov 3

Design plays that work against all above coverages. Don't just copy a play at a clinic unless fundamentally, it fits within your system, your knowlege and your ability to articulate the model to your QB.

How do you protect. Does your QB know the protection. Does he know who the free man or men are? Does he know what to do with the ball? (You'd be surprised how many NFL and college QB's can't do this. Instead...they tuck in under and run..or run around like a NUT until someone get's open)
It takes NFL QB's a few years to figure this out.

Man...ask any college coach..that's a lot especially from shotgun.

I like what Tiger one says...you can 3 step drop HS teams to death. Quick hitch, slant and fade.....Poor corner(s) should be scared to death. He can't be right if you throw on TIME. Empty the backfied and run 3 step quick routes to all 5 recs. Let qb decide (best match up)

I have a sophomore son who is playing QB in a shotgun off. He hasn't been taught reads, ( just make your read son) What read coach? You haven't taught me. He doesn't know who's coming free and and who's being blocked. Good ole Dad had to film each game, go home and explain everything to him.

Sorry..had to vent a little....But my point......He has to know everything, every look, every blitz every coverage and know what to do with the BALL.

He has to learn this in practice....everyday...blitz your formations, stunt/twist to your formations and alter coverages. If you do this everyday in practice...your QB will never be surprised.

I'm not telling you anything most of you don't already know........just a reaffermation...


Deac14

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HEY DEAC,

Good affirmation! Totally agree that most HS level QB coaches, not all now mind you as there are lots of good ones as well, just don't know how to teach the different reads and rely totally upon the QB to go out and play on his ability to look down the field and pick someone who appears to be open. After a whole lot of years have concluded a long time ago that MOST HS level QB's just look for their best receiver and try to get him the ball on every pass he throws. They really don't care about their QB's chances of going on to the next level and this really puts a good prospect squarely behind the 8 ball in his competition with other QB's when he gets to college. Things happen so much faster at the college level the kid is totally confused and usually spends 2-3 years learning how to make the right reads! Once took a job as an OC at a school where the DC who had been there for several years came over to me and asked me how did he align his kids in a base vanilla 5-2!

Coach Easton-TIGER ONE

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I think I know that guy..he asked me...in a base 50..who is the nose head up on? I kid you not. This particular coach was a DC at a 1AA school.

My father was a long time HS coach..He always said..HS coaches may be the best.....The greatest attribute a HS coach can have is evaluating his talent, and putting them in a position to succeed. College and Pro coaches are afforded the luxury of scouting and constant evaluation before they sign a player.

This is a great forum to learn..whether you think you have all the answers or not. I've picked Coach Scott's brain on the 5-3 and 46 fot three days now. as I told him..I hate defensive football...but I'm going to learn everything I can.

I'm currently picking D. Slack's brain on throwing mechanics and I played QB in the NFL...so you can always learn.





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Deac14,

Just so you know, I am NOT an experienced lifelong coach like Coaches Easton, Mountjoy and several others on this board. I have never been a head coach at any level and certainly did not play in the NFL. I have mentioned this before but I know you are a recent (and welcome) contributer. I would hate to see you, or anyone, lose a game because you listened to some novice advice of mine without knowing the source.

Suffice it to say that if I post something at odds with one of the genuine experts on this board I am probably wrong.

-Scott

Really ALL we prepare for (in a 3/5 step dropback game) is:

1. MAN/BLITZ

2. 3 DEEP ZONE

3. 2 DEEP ZONE

ALL our dropback passes are set to attack MAN/BLITZ along with one of the other two. THEREFORE, all our passes have to be good vs: A) man/blitz AND 3 deep zone, OR, B) man/blitz AND 2 deep zone. SOME passes can be used vs all 3.

Of course, in addition to the above dropback passes, you will naturally have SOME play action. It is impossible to describe a pass offense via email. IF you would like to discuss the PATTERNS, contact me at: billmountjoy@yahoo.com


NOTE: Here are some tips from the greatest passing game mind that ever live (IMO) - Sid Gillman. HE felt that you do not necessarily have to attack an ENTIRE COVERAGE, rather - areas of the field.

FIRST:

MIDDLE OF THE FIELD CLOSED - THROW OUTSIDE
MIDDLE OF THE FIELD OPEN - THROW INSIDE

SECOND:

Everything in throwing to the WR's is based upon rather they are playing vs. "FREE ACCESS" CORNERS, OR NOT!

THIRD:

There are really ONLY two types of coverages - MAN & ZONE. The CORNERS will tell you the difference!

Game planning was based upon the 3 factors above - irregardless of the coverages!

SID GILLMAN PASSING GAME THOUGHTS

TIMING OF PASS:
1. The timing of the delivery is essential. It is the single most important item to successful passing.
2. Each route has it’s own distinct timing. As routes and patterns are developed on the field, the exact point of delivery will be emphasized.
3. Take mental notes on the field on timing of the throw.
4. If you cannot co-ordinate eye and arm to get the ball at it’s intended spot properly and on time, you are not a passer.
5. Keeping the ball in both hands and chest high is part of the answer.
6. Generally speaking, the proper timing of any pass is putting the ball in the air before, or as the receiver goes into his final break.
7. If you wait until the receiver is well into his final move, you are too late.

ATTACKING DEFENSES:
1. You must know the theory of all coverages. Without this knowledge, you are dead.
2. You are either attacking man for man, or zone defense.
3. Vs. Man for Man Defense, you are beating the Man.
Vs. Zone Defense, you are attacking an Area.
4. Not knowing the difference will result in stupid interceptions.
5. Study your coverage sheets so that by merely glancing at a defense you know the total coverage design.
6. Man for Man Defenses
a. Hit the single coverage man. This will keep you in business for a long time.
b. Stay away from receivers who are doubled short and long.
c. Do not throw to post if weak safety is free unless you are controlling him with another receiver, and even then it can be dangerous.
d. Flare action is designed to hold backers. If backers are loose, HIT flare man.
e. The secret to attacking Man for Man is to attack the single coverage man who is on his own with no help short or to either side.
f. You must know the individual weaknesses of our opponents and attack them.
g. There are many methods of dropping off by deep secondary men. Each method provides a weakness – know them.
7. Zone Defenses
a. To successfully attack zone defense, concentrate on attacking the slots (X-Z Curl, Y Curl, Cross Routes).
b. Flare action is a must to hold the backers close to the line to help open up the zones behind them.
8. Exact knowledge of defensive coverage and the patterns to take advantage of these is a
must.

SUMMARY OF THE PRINCIPLES SID GILLMAN LIVED BY:
1. Spread the field horizontally and vertically with all 5 receivers; 2. Pass to set up the run (NOT the other way around); 3. One-Back formations are a MUST!

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Edited: 4/19/2007 at 5:48 AM by Oneback

Coach Scott

Thanks for your honest assesment. I don't believe in experts. We should all discern what we can or can't apply to our system. You gave me some things to think about....especially moving my MLB out of the middle. GREAT ADVICE.

You have to have a system, not just a bunch of plays or defenses. I think some of the "more experienced"coaches on this forum understand that.

Keep giving your opinion. When I was an assistant, I always gave my opinion. What good is a "YES" man.
It was up to the head man to decide if the opinion was applicable.



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Edited: 4/19/2007 at 6:29 AM by Deac14

Coaches
Good Stuff. The above posts are the best. Especially the arguing. It is more entertaining then what is on TV.
Karjaw

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Edited: 5/2/2007 at 5:23 AM by Karjaw

I want to chime in late on this topic.

I usually end up sticking myself alot to the run game being an OL and option coach. I appreciate all the posts on this particular thread. The coaches who contribute here are the best of the best.

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Coach Easton: What seems more and more important to me each year that I coach is to keep things as effectively simple as possible. Past a certain point, making things simpler makes them less effective, though -- you don't want to try to build a house with just a hammer and a screwdriver, you want an effective toolbox for the job.

Having said that, you also don't want to walk into Home Depot and grab one of everything they have in stock -- a 2,000 tool toolbox is more useless than a 2-tool toolbox, in some ways.

My passing attack is accordingly built on these foundations with a high school installation in mind -- youth, college or semi-pro would get tweaked toward simpler or more complex, respectively:

1) 5-step drop packages

2x2: Verticals (4 verts versus MOFC, converts to 3 verts versus MOFO)
Smash (Primarily a Cover 2 beater, but effective against man & C3 using simple adjustment rules for #1 playside)
Dig (A combination NCAA/Shallow package with easy adjustments to who runs the Post, Dig and meshing Shallow routes)

3x1: Bunch Mesh/Under (with other variations available as tags, including the original Coverdale/Robinson Bunch Mesh package)

2) 3-step drop packages

3x1: Y Space (from Bunch)
Y Stick (also from Bunch)

3) Sprint-out package

3x1: Run & Shoot Go (an entire series when you include tags such as frontside Switch, Kentucky Mesh, Crease, even a Statue of Liberty play and a backside Flow Screen)

4) Play-action packages

Fly Sweep: Bootleg away from Sweep, and dropback package (18 Boot and 10 Shear)

5) Screens

2x2: Alley screen from dropback action

3x1: Flow screen from Sprint/Run and Shoot action

6) Pass-action runs

2x2: "Slow" draw from dropback action

3x1: Statue of Liberty play from Sprint/Run and Shoot action

So that's it. The Fly Sweep series of 5 running plays, a QB wedge keep play, and a FB Ice play, plus the passing game listed above, and I call it a high school offense. Simplicity times deception equals success.

Regards,

Ted Seay
Vienna, Austria

New Fourth Edition -- Wild Bunch playbook

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Ted Seay
Vienna, Austria

Edited: 5/30/2007 at 8:50 AM by TedSeay

HEY TED,

Just now saw your post. I agree with all that you posted, for the most part. Don't really buy the part about the simplest way can be a drawback at times, although I do get what your point is. Just a matter of how two coaches see things differently at times. How is the planned move to another station for you coming along? Any chance of you getting poste back in the USA? If there is, I'm sure you would have more than ample opportunity to coach. Great to hear from you!

Coach Easton-JERRY

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